tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18773945.post5975375096731084555..comments2023-11-02T01:52:54.107-07:00Comments on impeachment and other dreams: Norman Rockwell's Americadguzmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01811101661607351661noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18773945.post-11381278944083024722010-12-22T19:33:07.075-08:002010-12-22T19:33:07.075-08:00GKL--yeah, I don't like that style of painting...GKL--yeah, I don't like that style of painting either. <br /><br />Dr Monkey--right on, brother.<br /><br />Dave Bones--welcome to the bloggy, and sorry it took so long for me to respond. I'm glad that Rockwell painting something depicting someone other than middle class white people. I'd never seen that painting--it's certainly not a commonly seen one.<br /><br />Mr. Econ--welcome to the bloggy! I too like Steinbeck and all the other white guys in the literary canon. But for some reason, those works seem different to me--perhaps because they don't make the whiteness quite so literal. ("Call me Ishmael, and I'm white!") Maybe. I don't know.<br /><br />eGreen--have you seen anything by that newer artist (whose name I can't remember now, of course) who paints classic works of art like the Mona Lisa or whatever, but replaces the white people with black people? Cool. Like looking at everything that's passed but through a different lens.dguzmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01811101661607351661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18773945.post-14533764376340919762010-12-22T11:46:57.058-08:002010-12-22T11:46:57.058-08:00I stumbled upon the Rockwell exhibit today in D.C....I stumbled upon the Rockwell exhibit today in D.C. I've always had a kind regard for NR's work, but even as a kid it was very obvious to me that I didn't live in a world like the one he'd paint. As a black child growing up in a small city in PA, I can kind of see the nostalgia, but the lack of black folks in his work is also a stark reminder that things are very different.<br /><br />The two pictures that another poster commented on are themselves a terrible example of black life. I mean there were black barbers cutting black hair, there were black waiters at restaurants. But again, that wasn't his world. I guess ultimately I don't have anything bad to say about NR or his work, I just wish that we had a closer representation of what life in AMERICA really is instead of it being so one sided.Dana Greenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12223080859682987419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18773945.post-91969261869752260202009-05-03T09:09:00.000-07:002009-05-03T09:09:00.000-07:00I think you are misguided for choosing Norman Rock...I think you are misguided for choosing Norman Rockwell as the subject of this. While many artists were racists and tended to ignore African-Americans, the placing of the African-American people in his paintings was clearly intentional, to show that they were not free in the United States, and that has to be changed. In fact, I am doing a paper right now on how Rockwell deplored Racism and painted that on purpose. Take two case studies.<br />The first one, is entitled The Problem We all Live With, and is a picture of one of the Little Rock Nine. It depicts her as strong and the white people as bigots.<br />http://cosechadel66.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/norman_rockwell_the_problem_we_all_live_with.jpg<br />The next painting in entitled Southern Justice (Murder in Mississippi, and is stronger still. It is a response to the Cheney, Goodwin, and Shchwerner murders.<br />http://www.ciaccess.com/~toveza/rockwell/southernjustice.jpgAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18773945.post-50951515100712333772009-02-23T20:15:00.000-08:002009-02-23T20:15:00.000-08:00I stumbled upon this post from a google search, al...I stumbled upon this post from a google search, also. I must say, however, that I love Rockwell... for the same reason I love Steinbeck. Because they make me think of a simpler time. Racism was and is a disease, but I think you're getting a little too Freudian. Some things, simply, have face value. Perhaps I'm naive...<BR/><BR/>wilsonwilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07845521416243821379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18773945.post-25861636182426366142008-08-29T12:21:00.000-07:002008-08-29T12:21:00.000-07:00I stumbled onto your page while doing a search for...I stumbled onto your page while doing a search for Norman Rockwell and the word racist. I got the same feel you did from the works I saw. It seemed to show this lie of a "better" time that seemed to ignore the social injustices of the time. I kept searching though and found a very powerful piece by him called "The Problem We All Live With" that shows a 6-year-old African-American girl being escorted by U.S. marshals to her first day at an all-white New Orleans elementary school,graffiti of the word "nigger" is on the wall behind her and you can see someone has thrown a tomato because it's smeared on the wall as well. Not all of his works were those cute slices of the "American Dream" that we generally think of with him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18773945.post-79799107723215115492007-12-13T13:10:00.000-08:002007-12-13T13:10:00.000-08:00Brilliant post my friend. Thanks for writing it. ...Brilliant post my friend. Thanks for writing it. I feel ashamed when any white person says hateful things to a person of color or to a gay person. I'm white on the outside but I'm black/brown/yellow/red on the inside.Dr. Monkey Von Monkersteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14370062692837972451noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18773945.post-27133747058101397972007-12-13T10:46:00.000-08:002007-12-13T10:46:00.000-08:00Having lived in State College for four years, I'd ...Having lived in State College for four years, I'd have to agree. It's pretty damn white.<BR/><BR/>Oh, and I have never cared for Rockwell as an artist, no matter what the paintings evoke, it's just not my taste.GETkristiLOVEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03873004576844292852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18773945.post-87549122060815505722007-12-13T06:29:00.000-08:002007-12-13T06:29:00.000-08:00Randal, I've come across that lots of times. Peopl...Randal, I've come across that lots of times. People will say, "those damned lazy Mess-cans!" and when they see my face (rage) they say, "Oh, I don't mean YOU!" Right, I get it. Do you mean my mom? My uncle? My sister? Who DO you mean?<BR/><BR/>Fran,I'm working right beside you, babe. Thanks for your friendship!dguzmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01811101661607351661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18773945.post-61379604668533833512007-12-13T05:08:00.000-08:002007-12-13T05:08:00.000-08:00Oh my dear Delia, you have no idea how grateful I ...Oh my dear Delia, you have no idea how grateful I am for our correspondence. Seriously- you are one of the real gifts of blogging.<BR/><BR/>It makes me glad to see that you have gone ahead and put this post up. As you know, I grabbed the image and did not think much about it at the time.<BR/><BR/>However, you wrote to me and our conversation ensued and (as you know already) I totally agree with you.<BR/><BR/>I'd like to think of myself as sensitive, but as a white woman certain things are beyond my perception. Thankfully I have good friends like you who can further open my eyes, my mind and my heart.<BR/><BR/>What is it however, about the human condition, that makes up want to hate on others? Race, religion, gender and so forth... I fear it will never end, but nonetheless I work towards just that goal.Franhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07181529277715646835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18773945.post-34424720534583343882007-12-12T11:43:00.000-08:002007-12-12T11:43:00.000-08:00Very true, cdp.Very true, cdp.dguzmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01811101661607351661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18773945.post-76331063246858101152007-12-12T10:29:00.000-08:002007-12-12T10:29:00.000-08:00I think that on matters of race, more people shoul...I think that on matters of race, more people should just do what you just did, and talk (write) about it openly. We veer between pretending that race is no longer an issue in America (unfortunately not true) to being afraid to say anything at all about the topic for fear of offending someone.Clairehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14956997477396182396noreply@blogger.com