tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18773945.post5517136729378767239..comments2023-11-02T01:52:54.107-07:00Comments on impeachment and other dreams: Pay Equity Day: April 22dguzmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01811101661607351661noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18773945.post-47430201732337366892010-02-09T00:24:31.678-08:002010-02-09T00:24:31.678-08:00What a great resource!What a great resource!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18773945.post-71013726440228319452008-04-21T11:36:00.000-07:002008-04-21T11:36:00.000-07:00Dcup, the reason it's considered impolite to discu...Dcup, the reason it's considered impolite to discuss pay is that failure to do so keeps employees from learning who is being screwed.TomCathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11397335545286040472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18773945.post-41855837939141376542008-04-21T07:13:00.000-07:002008-04-21T07:13:00.000-07:00CDP--thank you.Vik--amazing, huh? Seems like forev...CDP--thank you.<BR/><BR/>Vik--amazing, huh? Seems like forever, but only to our limited little viewpoints.<BR/><BR/>DCup--In every place I've worked, it's been FORBIDDEN! to talk about salary, either your own or anyone else's; I knew someone who got fired for discussing her shitty pay raise at a company I used to work for. If people did discuss it openly, you can bet things would be a lot more equitable.<BR/><BR/>Lib and ME--not surprising. As I said, I've worked places where part of your initial HR paperwork was signing a paper saying you wouldn't discuss pay with ANYONE. How convenient for the assholes in power.<BR/><BR/>Fran--the "male-ification" thing really gets me. It's sad. I mean, I wear pants exclusively, but it's my CHOICE. And of course, it probably prevents my being promoted! But I don't care.<BR/><BR/>Randal--true--it's a difficult call, deciding whether open prejudice is harder to fight than the covert kinds. There are good arguments on both sides.<BR/><BR/>Whiskey--that just happened to a friend of mine where I work. She has a master's, but this guy wouldn't come in for anything less than X amount, so he got it despite the fact that he now works for my lower-paid buddy. Lovely.<BR/><BR/>Liberality--I'll check it out.<BR/><BR/>DCap--it makes me so angry to hear stuff like that, because it's hard to prove and hard to get justice. It's almost better to just stay ignorant; certainly easier on the blood pressure.<BR/><BR/>GKL--a woman's gotta do what a woman's gotta do!dguzmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01811101661607351661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18773945.post-38917034193679826362008-04-20T20:01:00.000-07:002008-04-20T20:01:00.000-07:00That's why I'm a ho - to bridge the wage gap. ;)That's why I'm a ho - to bridge the wage gap. ;)GETkristiLOVEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03873004576844292852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18773945.post-40231236239826890412008-04-20T03:34:00.000-07:002008-04-20T03:34:00.000-07:00there is also pay scale prejudice with regard to a...there is also pay scale prejudice with regard to ageism, racism and familyism<BR/><BR/>i remember when first started at another media company back in the 80s, the finance people talking about giving people with 'kids' more money because they needed it as opposed to single people ---<BR/><BR/>and that single people would move up faster since they didnt have a family to rush home to...<BR/><BR/>with my own 2 (or one) earsDistributorcaphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10149154929149577121noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18773945.post-41350546257659222772008-04-19T22:05:00.000-07:002008-04-19T22:05:00.000-07:00I don't know if you do memes or not. If you do, c...I don't know if you do memes or not. If you do, come over to my place because I've tagged you. If not, no big deal.Life As I Know It Nowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03733963455243806298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18773945.post-74701187415478215642008-04-19T14:20:00.000-07:002008-04-19T14:20:00.000-07:00Great post. I am lucky to work somewhere where wa...Great post. <BR/>I am lucky to work somewhere where wages are determined through a system of steps & columns, all entirely based on education & work experience with no room for bias. <BR/>That being said, I am still painfully aware of the gap between men & women in the workplace, having worked in a male-dominated, testosterone-fueled field for a while now. <BR/><BR/>I remember, many years ago when I was a retail monkey, I had been working for a company for 2 years and had worked my way up to what I thought was a good salary. Imagine my surprise when a male, part time employee (working under me)was hired at nearly $3/hour more than me (at the time, $3/hour was a BIG deal). <BR/>My supervisor, a woman, was the one responsible for this, and when I brought my grievance to her she was more upset that I had found out at all than upset at the indignity of the situation. She was pissed that they had to give me a raise.Whiskeymariehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16680444919622976790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18773945.post-686753416808253652008-04-19T08:08:00.000-07:002008-04-19T08:08:00.000-07:00No, sexism and inequity is far more subtle these d...<EM>No, sexism and inequity is far more subtle these days, which I suppose is a gain in itself.</EM><BR/><BR/>It might be, but perhaps more difficult to extinguish simply because it hides in the shadows? Sexism, racism, homophobia, they all hang out below the surface. Things are always easier when the bad guy wears a black hat. <BR/><BR/>You're probably right about the solution. More women in the halls of power, that are visible and raise the issue and confront its enablers head-on is the only way. We shouldn't expect Dems to play nice with The Maverick®, we shouldn't expect to play nice with misogynist assholes.Randal Graveshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08728992897551848531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18773945.post-84736295406036997392008-04-18T18:17:00.000-07:002008-04-18T18:17:00.000-07:00Outstanding. I did not get to post on this as I di...Outstanding. I did not get to post on this as I did not have time to do it justice. There have been so many great posts.<BR/><BR/>I came out of a company that was mostly run by women; but once they got to a certain level, they did tend to leave the rest of us behind.<BR/><BR/>The male-ification of women and the on-going saga of pay.<BR/><BR/>You have done a fantastic job here.Franhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07181529277715646835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18773945.post-57868583282529243302008-04-18T15:41:00.000-07:002008-04-18T15:41:00.000-07:00I remember working for a place that if you discuss...I remember working for a place that if you discussed your pay with anyone and it got back to management, you would be fired. I also worked for an engineering firm that used to have a big golf outing weekend at a swank club every year, I mean it was HUGE and very exclusive. I was secretary to the VP at the time and found out that the women execs were not allowed to go on the outing and I also found a paper in my bosses file that had pay raise scales that showed women got 20% less than the men did on their pay scale. 20%! I quit that job about a month later because it was so sexist there...the things I could tell you that went on. Unbelievable.Mary Ellenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07835150057881066641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18773945.post-81178028763668332782008-04-18T14:38:00.000-07:002008-04-18T14:38:00.000-07:00where I work we are discouraged from discussing ho...where I work we are discouraged from discussing how much people make. no doubt about it, that way women can't find out and get mad that some guy with less education and experience is making more than they are. we can't get angry when we are ignorant of what is going on.Life As I Know It Nowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03733963455243806298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18773945.post-27349269014253650192008-04-18T10:55:00.000-07:002008-04-18T10:55:00.000-07:00Great post! It occurs to me, too, that one of the ...Great post! It occurs to me, too, that one of the reasons that pay equity can continue the way it does is because Americans think it's impolite to discuss pay. A lot of employers would flip their lid if people discussed salary openly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18773945.post-89478779810859549602008-04-18T10:28:00.000-07:002008-04-18T10:28:00.000-07:00It's time like this that I am reminded that women ...It's time like this that I am reminded that women have had the vote for less than a hundred years.vikkitikkitavihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01501311175482530001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18773945.post-82894705647199727362008-04-18T09:58:00.000-07:002008-04-18T09:58:00.000-07:00Nice post, Ms. G!Nice post, Ms. G!Clairehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14956997477396182396noreply@blogger.com